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HUNTERS, GATHERERS AND CHILI: JOHN KERRY, JOHN EDWARDS, VIETNAM AND THE FAMILY BEANS

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For some people, love is a “battleground.”

When I read and copied this AP article ( –[^^] link– ), at 4:25 A.M. PST (07/31/04), the headline read: “KERRY MAKES PA. BATTLEGROUND FIRST STOP” and included the time/date stamp of “20 minutes ago” from my visit time.

Same article, now on my second visit, same URL, same article contents by same author and source, with a different headline (what is there now, “Kerry, Edwards Pitch Message to Pa.”). One instance among many of these “media revisions” on the fly. Money has a long arm. Then you get news.

INSERT, UPDATE, 12/12/12: above URL since removed but a few related posts have been located and here’s one, BUSH TARGETS SWING STATES TO DERAIL KERRY with noted headline deviation from the original, per this other publish-source.

INDC Journal provides more details (returning to original 2004 post discussion here).

HUG A VETERAN TODAY, TOMORROW, WHENEVER YOU’RE ABLE.

In an effort to bring light into coffee shops everywhere, and in all due respect to the amazing Mr. Stan Freberg, “Stan Freberg’s Greatest Hits” can be found at amazon.com. There’s a bit of a sampling of his formidable “John & Marsha” routine on amazon.com, but you’ll miss out if you don’t hear the the full bit.

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  1. justaguy says:

    http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-30-2004/0002222112&EDATE=

    “The biggest surprise for him was that they’ve found no weapons of mass destruction (WMD), the “reason we went to war.” He says multiple
    Middle Eastern leaders, including Jordan’s King Abdullah and Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, told Franks that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. In January 2003, Mubarak said point blank to Franks, “Saddam has WMD-biologicals, actually-and he will use them on your troops.”

  2. justaguy says:

    I may not agree with everything Limbaugh says…but this test is interesting…

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_073004/content/eib_pop_quiz.guest.html

  3. justaguy says:

    Sources: Al Qaeda Plotting to Attack New York City Corporations

    http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/new_york_city_terror_threat_040731-1.html

  4. -S- says:

    In case anyone reading doesn’t want to register to read that article (first link, top of comments here):

    Saudi royal family lambasts Michael Moore for twisting the truth in his 9/11 film
    (Filed: 01/08/2004)
    –In an exclusive interview, Prince Turki al-Faisal tells Con Coughlin why the US film-maker is so wrong–

    The Saudi royal family has launched a bitter attack on the American film-maker Michael Moore over his claims that the Bush administration secretly smuggled a number of high-ranking Saudi nationals out of the US in the immediate aftermath of the September 11 attacks.

    (Photo caption: “Prince Turki al-Faisal: Saudi Arabian ambassador to the UK”)

    In the first official comment by the Saudi royal family on Moore’s controversial film Fahrenheit 9/11, a leading member of the family said his country has been fully exonerated of any complicity in the attacks by the report of the 9/11 commission.

    Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi Arabian ambassador to London and a half-brother of Crown Prince Abdullah, was in charge of Saudi intelligence at the time of the 2001 terror attacks. He said that Moore had failed to carry out adequate research into his controversial claims that the Saudis were involved with Osama bin Laden, the al-Qa’eda leader, in the build-up to the 9/11 atrocity.

    ‘It would have been far better if Michael Moore had been able to read the 9/11 report before he made his film. It shows that all the protocols were strictly observed.’ Because Moore had not thoroughly researched the allegations levelled against Saudi Arabia, Prince Turki said that Fahrenheit 9/11 is ‘grossly unfair’ to the Saudis.

    In his film, Moore claims that the Bush administration helped a number of Saudi princes and members of the bin Laden family to flee the United States immediately after the attacks at a time when American air space had been closed to all commercial air traffic. Moore implies that the Saudis were smuggled out of the country to cover up their involvement in the terror attacks.

    Prince Turki said these claims have now been completely refuted in the report compiled by the US commission of inquiry into the 9/11 attacks, which was published at the end of last month.

    In a section headed ‘Flights of Saudi Nationals Leaving the United States’, the report found ‘no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001’. The report also concludes that it found no evidence of political interference by the White House, and states that those Saudis who did leave the US on charter flights in the days following the attacks had been thoroughly vetted by FBI agents.

    Prince Turki said Moore could have found this out for himself before he made the film, but he ‘chose to speculate’ rather than establish what really happened.

    ‘Michael Moore made a request to visit Saudi Arabia and we granted him a visa, but he never came,’ said Prince Turki in an interview with The Telegraph. ‘He missed an important opportunity to find out key facts. In my opinion he should have made every effort to go to a country he has taken to task so heavily in his film.’

    Prince Turki said there was a perfectly reasonable explanation for the decision to fly home a number of prominent Saudis in the days following the attacks.

    ‘They were allowed to leave because everyone recognised that anyone with the name bin Laden might have a hard time with the American public after the terror attacks,’ he said.

    Far from assisting al-Qa’eda, Prince Turki said that the Saudis thought they were the most likely target of a devastating terrorist attack by bin Laden’s organisation, and the country had been placed on its highest state of alert since the summer of 2001.

    ‘We thought that bin Laden was planning to attack us, not America. Therefore it was not exactly in our interests for us to support bin Laden’s organisation.’

    Prince Turki insisted that Saudi Arabia has been a key ally in Washington’s long-running campaign against bin Laden’s organisation.

    In 1998 he travelled to Afghanistan to meet Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, to persuade him to evict bin Laden. At first Mullah Omar agreed, but later reneged on his promise.

    ‘The second time I saw him our meeting ended in something of a shouting match,’ said Prince Turki.

    The Saudi security forces are currently involved in an intensive operation to track down the last remnants of an al-Qa’eda cell that has been responsible for a number of devastating terror attacks in the kingdom.

    ‘We have made significant progress in fighting al-Qa’eda in Saudi Arabia,’ he said. ‘Of the 26 known al-Qa’eda hardliners in the kingdom, we have killed or captured more than half of them.’

    Prince Turki said that the Saudis were also keen to help stabilise the situation in Iraq. ‘Much of the equipment we have seized during raids on al-Qa’eda cells has come from Iraq,’ he said.

    ‘There is no doubt that as a result of the Iraq war it is easier for al-Qa’eda to sell their point of view to potential recruits. Al-Qa’eda has become stronger and more active since the Iraq conflict.’

    To counter this the Saudi government last week proposed setting up a Muslim peacekeeping force that would assist the interim Iraqi government to defeat the insurgents.

    ‘We are making every effort to assist the new Iraqi government to establish itself. We want Iraq to be a positive influence on the region. We do not want it to be disruptive and negative as it was under Saddam Hussein.’

  5. -S- says:

    General Franks’ book is definitely one I’ll buy and read…

    Always such a disparity between theory and application, at least, until there’s a generic standard of any theory in mass production. Interesting comments by Frank about Clarke, among other comments.

  6. -S- says:

    On the other hand, about that Saudi Prince article, refuting Moore: that Saudi leadership is refuting him, just may proliferate the nutty disregard for reality where Moore is concerned.

    However, that’s no reason to stifle the reports by Saudi Arabia, however, as to the lies that Moore has plasted under his bogus “documentary” filmmaking – MOORE FAUX DOCU, seems like a good name for it. Just saying, a lot of people aren’t really confident in Saudi Arabia, so will undoubtedly use the fact that this Saudi Prince says what he says, to further promote the MOORE FAUX DOCU issue.

  7. -S- says:

    Yeah, this is why I suggested that people hug a marine today, any day, any time they can.

    The photo that was taken during that meeting (Kerry poking his finger at the Marine, who stood at attention during the, um, experience), was all over the Internet news yesterday, and this morning, has almost completely disappeared. I managed to save a copy of a copy of a copy from another website, but even on personal sites, the photo is now almost completely gone.

    Same thing happens nearly every day lately: revisions in the media about Kerry. Whatever is posted is either rewritten, edited or even removed within only a few hours later.

    Proud of the Marines, very proud of them.

  8. -S- says:

    Yeah, The Commander-In-Chief Test on Rush Limbaugh’s site…I saw a link for that yesterday on littlegreenfootballs, during a thread discussion there.

    I never paid any attention to Limbaugh before but it seems that recently, his site’s become pretty darn interesting. Is it sobriety speaking? Because there’s an obvious change in content for the better.

    That TEST is very, very interesting.

  9. -S- says:

    About this:
    “…AL QAEDA PLOTTING TO ATTACK NEW YORK CORPORATIONS” , I’m pretty concerned about the part where it states that “Intelligence sources say al Qaeda plans to move non-Arab terrorists across the border with Mexico,” (not that I’m not concerned about the other aspects mentioned), just that the Southern border is such a problem to monitor. Actually, so is the Northern one, in my experience.

  10. -S- says:

    That first link (from justaguy’s recent share [^^]) is a no-go unless you access the main site and then look up the article under it’s headline (“St. Paul Mayor Backs Bush”)…REPRINT FOLLOWS MY COMMENTS HERE, for convenience.

    As someone who has been registered (also, as per Mayor Randy Kelly) as a Democrat but who’s (in the process of reregistering) going to be voting as a Republican this Fall, my experience is similar to Kelly’s and that is that the Democrat ‘official response’ about individual voter response to our times is one that’s scurilous (–>> “…The Kerry campaign in Minnesota downplayed the move, saying it “isn’t surprising given Randy Kelly’s longstanding flirtation with the Republican party…”). I’d say that that comment by “the Kerry campaign” is just about as creepy as can be, as is that quote (read the article) from the local DFL. To the far left, EVERYthing is “far right”, even democracy.

    The article:

    St. Paul Mayor Randy Kelly broke Democratic Party ranks on Sunday to announce his support for President Bush’s re-election.

    “George Bush and I do not agree on a lot of issues,” Kelly said in a statement. “But in turbulent times, what the American people need more than anything is continuity of government, even with some imperfect policies.”

    Kelly, who said he’s remaining a Democrat, said the economy is going in the right direction. “There’s no reason to believe a change of course will produce better or quicker results,” he said.

    And the mayor said the United States will bring the troops home from Iraq a lot sooner if “we don’t try to bring in a whole new leadership team to run the show. We must stay the course.”

    Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who co-chairs the Bush-Cheney campaign in Minnesota, praised Kelly. “His bold decision is courageous and a welcome move toward working across party lines,” Pawlenty said in a statement.

    U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman, the Bush-Cheney campaign’s other co-chair in Minnesota, called Kelly’s announcement “bipartisanship at its finest.”

    “Mayor Kelly recognizes that jobs are being created and that tax cuts have stimulated that job growth. He has done the same for St. Paul,” said Coleman, Kelly’s predecessor as mayor of Minnesota’s capital city.

    But the St. Paul DFL Party said Kelly “has traded the values of St. Paul for the agenda of the Republican Party’s far right.”

    “Rather than advocating the needs of St. Paul, Mayor Kelly’s decision to not support John Kerry’s strategy for building our cities does the voters of St. Paul a disservice,” the party said.

    The Kerry campaign in Minnesota downplayed the move, saying it “isn’t surprising given Randy Kelly’s longstanding flirtation with the Republican party.

    “John Kerry and John Edwards enjoy overwhelming support in St. Paul and the energy and excitement about their plans to make America stronger at home and respected in the world has only grown after the tremendous success of the Democratic convention,” communications director Stacie Paxton said in a release.

    Kelly, who was elected mayor in 2001, is up for re-election next year.

    (Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

  11. -S- says:

    “Kuwait Bans ‘Fahrenheit 9/11′” is an extremely interesting and surprisingly FRANK action by the Saudi’s.

    Interesting that they’re not hesitating to confront the film as being OPINION, and that the opinion counters reality. Moore long ago impressed me as a giant pimple on the rump of truth and honor. Interesting response by the Saudis in confrontation of the infection.

    I do believe that there’s ethical violation in play where “9/11” is concerned, in that, since the distributor allowed the film to be marketed to consumers in the U.S. as a “documentary” title, they’ve violated truth in advertising. Moore cops out with his “it’s an opinion piece” comments that take the backseat to the insistence that the film is provides fact, is a “documentary,” but since the distributors haven’t made a deal out of including a disclaimer in the advertising and publicity media that surrounds the film — as to making it clear that the film is opinion and not fact/documentary — and have not otherwise gone to any steps to discourage consumers from perceiving the film as opinion, that there’s an ethical problem there of ethical dimensions.

  12. -S- says:

    “Republicans Plan Push for Elimination of IRS” is pretty interesting! I like the goals: productivity, encouraging growth of capital. Cute reference to the person owning “a hundred acres of farmland…”

    ~;-D

  13. -S- says:

    That last link
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/02/politics/02intel.html?ei=5006&en=191a653487a53251&ex=1092024000&partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=, as to the capture of the messenger, really drives home just how significant it is that we’ve managed to improve intelligence operations, much to the chagrine of the DNC. Kerry’s on t.v. from the Midwest right now as I type this, harping on about “we need leadership” and I continue to wonder just what his point actually is, because it always seems that he’s telling people to look in some other direction whenever he says that…”go over there, look to someone else, find it somewhere else!”

  14. justaguy says:

    US factories enter longest stretch of rapid growth in 30 years

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1519&ncid=749&e=6&u=/afp/20040802/bs_afp/us_economy

    British targets in al-Qaeda bombing plot

    http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=888252004

    –justaguy

  15. -S- says:

    Yeah, old Kerry can’t point a finger at this, so he’s pointing it at everything else. The Democrats aren’t looking too pretty right about now…I can’t stand their negativity.

  16. -S- says:

    And that last article — http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=888252004 — pointing out the seriousness of the chatter of recent, it’s pretty low that Kerry and campaign are writing/saying that it’s a “manufactured” alert by Bush for political purposes. It DOES emphasize how loony Kerry is, however, to even entertain such an idea. Amazing how dedicated the White House staff appears about this, in comparison with the lunatic comments by Dean and Kerry, et al., earlier.

  17. -S- says:

    Gaahhhh! Kerry, wife, Edwards, wife didn’t even eat their meal at Denny’s, but returned to the trailer to sup up on gormet fare with Ben Affleck.

    The entire trip to the cafe was staged! A photo op!